Ok I know there is big debate about procedural vs OOP with PHP. I am an experienced Ruby programmer and in Ruby OOP is alot better it is just so much simpler and it is very hard to do procedural programming. PHP is the opposite. I have been trying to learn OOP for PHP and it is a mess compared to Ruby. In PHP procedural is so simple and I know a lot of people say that OOP is better for large programs but I am just having so much trouble with it. I can't quite figure it out. In Ruby everything just seemed to flow but with PHP it is so much harder. Could someone point me to a good OOP tutorial for procedural programmers .